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Carter Connection?

Landy Gobes - Jan 7, 2013

I spent some time yesterday looking at all my DNA matches on FamilyTreeDNA. The name Carter kept showing up. Often it was the last name of the person matching, sometimes it was in the ancestor list. I saw no - zero - Lewellen (of any spelling) matches.

I remember that there is a Carter connection here somewhere. Can someone tell me where it starts?

I know that there was a Carter family in really early Virginia who lived near my Lawsons, Hathaways, Timberlakes, etc, but I don't see a connection there.

Thanks,

Landy Gobes
West Hartford, CT

Billie Harris - Jan 7, 2013

Landy, I recall postings about a Carter connection, too. I can't seem to find anything but this one right now.

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But a Carter and a Sexton were both somehow connected to the Lewallens according to DNAs.

Darlene Luallen Griffin - Jan 7, 2013

Landy, I also recall postings about Carters. I, too, recently got back matches for my FamilyFinder dna test at FamilyTreeDNA. I did not have any matches with Lewallens either, but did have a few Davises and a lot of names I have never heard of! By the way, my great great grandmother was a Lawson.

Darlene Luallen Griffin - Jan 8, 2013

Well, Landy, I went back and checked my matches on FamilyFinder and the Carter name keeps popping up in my matches' surname lists also. I don't know what that means but it is interesting.

Landy Gobes - Jan 9, 2013

Darlene, do you have ancestors who lived in early colonial Virginia? 1600's, on the coast?

Billie, thank you for reposting the histories for me; they are very interesting.

I had a "chance" meeting in Germany in June with a woman locking up the church in a small town just as we got there. I knew an ancestor had lived in the town. Cutting to the chase, she is my 10th cousin, both of us descended from a man who lived 1560-1613! The DNA point is - she and I look enough alike to be sisters, both of us are amateur musicians and genealogists. The DNA connections go WAY BACK!

Landy

Billie Harris - Jan 9, 2013

Landy, I love to hear stories such as the one you just told about meeting your tenth cousin and the similarities. That's ironic and what a coincidence.

Landy Gobes - Jan 9, 2013

Darlene Luallen Griffin - Jan 9, 2013

Yes, Landy, going through my great grandmother Sarah Lawson Lewallen's family, I have an 11th great grandmother who was among the first settlers in Jamestown (Joan Pierce). Her daughter is Cecily Reynolds, whose daughter is Temperance Bailey 1617-1652...much is written about Temperance (Cecily and Temperance both owned large amounts of land in Virginia. Temperance's son was Thomas Cocke who was part of the House of Burgesses. I wish I had some of that land today!! I would like to know exactly where it is. I suspect that my Lewallen/Davis ancestors also were in Virginia in the late 1600s and early 1700s but I cannot prove it yet. I am fairly certain that my Loyd ancestors were also in colonial Virginia; they raised tobacco.

Billie Harris - Jan 10, 2013

Darlene, if the land in the 1600's was in Surry County, Virginia, I have three maps from a book I can put in the photos section which gives owners of land and where it was in those days. And yes, I wish you had some of that land now, too.

Landy Gobes - Jan 11, 2013

Darlene, I have a Sarah Lawson 1710-1771 married to William Hathaway 1694-1772.

Their son, John Hathaway, 1733-1786 married Sarah Lawson Timberlake, 1739-1809

My first Lawson to come to Virginia was Rowland Lawson, 1607-1661.

The Lawsons tended to name their sons Lawson or put Lawson in their daughter's names, so I bet we are connected here. I found the Lawson home in Yorkshire, England, and I have a picture. Email me at landyg333@gmail.com and we can exchange notes. I would love to know where your Sarah Lawson Lewallen fits in!

Meanwhile, a rich and influential Carter family attended the same church as the Lawsons and lived close in Lancaster Co, VA. I don't have a direct Carter ancestor as far as I know, but . .???

Landy

Darlene Luallen Griffin - Jan 11, 2013

Well Landy, it looks like we are cousins! Rowland Lawson is MY 9th great grandfather! I will e-mail you later and let you know what my Lawson branch looks like. I also found my Carter connection and it is not through my father's line, but through my mother's ancestors. I became suspicious when I saw that one of my great grandfathers on my mother's side was named Adam Carter Gann. Going back a couple of generations I found the Carter family in colonial Virginia. I will let you know about that one also.
Darlene

Mary Parker - Jan 16, 2013

Landy, Berry Lafayette Carter's and Carol Redd's ancestor, John Sexton's, yDNA is an exact match with my brother,
Daniel Llewellyn's, yDNA. You must be related to all of us, too.
Mary (Llewellyn) Parker

Landy Gobes - Jan 17, 2013

Thanks, Mary. I certainly might be related to you.

I do not have any brothers or cousins to check yDNA. My last male Lewellen ancestor was John Lewellen who died in Preble Co, OH in 1827. I have not been able to find male descendents of this John Lewellen, but surely there are some, as he had many sons. If any read this, please get in touch with me. I will be happy to pay for your testing. landyg333@gmail.com

How far back can we take the paper trails of Berry Lafayette Carter and Carol's ancestor and yours? Are they related in VA? Wales? Also, how did Berry get his first name - was he named for a family named Berry?

Thanks, Landy

Mary Parker - Jan 18, 2013

Landy,
I don't know about the name Berry, but I believe there are discussions about it on the Carters' posts on this website. He
was actually a Llewellyn. The Carters were in North America before my direct ancestor, John Llewellyn, left Wales.
The yDNA (at 67 markers) is an exact match so the common ancestor was not "too" distant, in genealogical time. Carol
Redd's family lore was true: her grandfather Sexton was actually a Llewellyn. (Is Marlea Llewellyn related to your John
from Ohio?)
Mary

Angela Carter Ridder - Jan 19, 2013

I am a Carter from Virginia. Our ancester Sarah "Sally" Carter never married. However her decendants who have been DNA tested are exact matches with the Llewelyns. Sally's sister married a Green Berry Llewelyn who is believed to be a strong possiblity as the parent of Sally's children. Green's parents lived close by but there isn't a clear fit for any of their other sons as potential parents.

Landy Gobes - Jan 19, 2013

Thank you, Angela! I remember reading about this on the site, but I had forgotten the details.

Can you tell me Sally's parents' names and dates and where she lived? And also, can anyone give me Green Berry Llewelyn's parents' names and dates and location?

Angela, if you have a paper trail back to the original Carter emigrants, could you send it to me?

landyg333@gmail.com

Thank you so much!

Landy

Billie Harris - Jan 19, 2013

Landy, as Angela says, in all likelihood, her Carter connection comes from Greenberry/ Green Berry.

Greenberry was the son of Charles Lewallen who was probably born sometime around 1750, and died 1804 in Campbell County, Virginia. Charles had property in Bedford County and in 1814 Green sold his 1/7th interest, which means Charles also had other children. Green had financial difficulties as you can see if you scroll down to Bedford and Campbell counties.

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He was even sent to prison for counterfeiting money, served a couple of years and was pardoned 1832.

IF - and mind you that's a BIG "IF" I have this genealogy correct, here's the way his line would go:

Richard, died about 1730. His children:
1, Thomas died 1752 in Amelia. Son:
(1) Jesse
2. Richard
3. Daniel, married Mary Burk. Children:
(1) Freeman
(2) Richard
(3) Anderson
(4) John
(5) Thomas
(6) William
(7) Margaret
(8) Charles, died 1804, and had, among others, Greenberry. A quick guess without verifying it is that he also possibly had Asa, Anderson, Charles, James, Elizabeth and possibly Lucinda. Asa was born 1804 and moved to Cedar County, Missouri after his last daughter was born 1851. I believe James was also in Cedar County and Lucinda may have been there as well. Obviously a lot more research needs to be done, or I need to make better notes.

One of these days, I'll finish researching, post what I have and give sources.

Landy Gobes - Jan 20, 2013

Thanks, Billie, that helps a lot.

I believe that my definite ancestor John Lewellen 1760-1827 "might have been, probably was" the son of Thomas Lewellen 1720-1782 of Loudoun Co, VA married to Susannah.

I can't see how this Thomas fits into the above family as listed. Unless Thomas or Richard were his family. ?? And it could have been a generation or two earlier.

My Thomas and his wife were Quakers. Were these people above Quakers?

Mary, I have not heard of a Marlea Llewellyn connected to my Ohio family. Sorry.

Landy

Billie Harris - Jan 21, 2013

I think some were Quakers, Landy.

I believe the Loudoun family and the family of William Lewelling who died 1799 in Randolph County, N.C. probably were somehow related and the William Lewelling family were Quakers, involved with the underground railroad, and some well known as horticulturists (developed the Bing Cherry, and other fruits). How they are related, I don't know, but I do know a descendant of William Lewelling had a DNA and it connects with some of those listed above. Now whether the connection is before they came to America, or after, I don't know yet.

William was probably the son of Jonathan Lewelling who shows up 1757 in Anson County, North Carolina. I'm not sure where he lived before that. Both William and Jonathan are in records for Anson . The last record in Anson for Jonathan was 1775 when he sold the last of his property. In 1769 a Jonathan Lewelling was born in Randolph County, per his family Bible, and it's known William had a son by that name so probably that Jonathan was William's son, perhaps his oldest son. The 1790 census for Randolph County shows both William and Jonathan and William's son would have been too young to have been the Jonathan named in the census so we can probably assume he was William's father. There's no Will for Jonathan (Sr) although we do have the Will for William.

Were they related to your Thomas of Loudoun? It's possible, and I'm wondering right now if MAYBE Jonathan was the father of Thomas and Shadrach. Thomas is first shown as a tithable in Fairfax 1749 but by 1759 in Loudoun (created from Fairfas) both Thomas and Shadrach are there.

So let's go back a little and put these in chron order and see what we have.

1749 - Thomas in Fairfax as a tithable
1759 - Thomas and Shadrach both in Loudoun and Shad's married by this time.

1757 - Jonathan is selling land in Anson County, N.C. William lives there, too but is only mentioned in one recorded document.
1775 - Jonathan has sold his last property and has moved into Randolph County where we also find William by 1790.

Thomas, Shadrach, Jonathan and William are all Quakers. IF they're related (notice I'm saying "IF"). Shad wasn't a Quaker until after he married Deborah Burson because Quaker records show 1759 "Deborah Lewellen, formerly Burson, produced a paper condemning her outgoing in marriage."

I did check the early Pennsylvania information we have on here to see if maybe Thomas, Jonathan or William came from there. Pennsylvania had a lot of Quakers in early years and, in fact, that's where Deborah Burson was from. There were Lewallens there but whether they were Quaker or not, I don't know, and I can't seem to find any connection. You might want to check.

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I've just re-read this and parts doesn't make sense. Maybe I can get back to it later today. Got lots on my schedule for right now.

Mary Parker - Jan 24, 2013

Billie,
Acc. to Oregon Horticulture Society 1905 publication available on Ancestry.com Seth Lewelling was descendant of
Meschach. I believe he and Shadrach were brothers and that this Quaker family moved with their slaves from North
Carolina to the free state of Indiana. Seth and his brother Henderson eventually went to Iowa and finally to Oregon
where they planted fruit orchards in the Willamette Valley. "Bing" was Seth's orchard manager, and together they
developed the bing cherry. Henderson changed his spelling to "Luelling".
Mary Parker

Billie Harris - Jan 24, 2013

Yes, Seth was a son of Meshach. Here's what I put together as the descendants of William a while back.

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Also, in the History search blank above, type in Iowa and you'll see a number of postings about the family. Also do the same for Oregon, and Indiana. One of the descendants owns the Lewelling Winery in St. Helena. I met with some of the Lewellings years ago in St. Helena, including the woman whose sons own the winery; she's now deceased.

Landy Gobes - Jan 25, 2013

Some random thoughts about relationships:

I said that Thomas Lewellen of Loudoun Co, VA was a Quaker. That statement is based on two things - he is mentioned in the Goose Creek Soc of Friends records as witnessing wills and wedding, and in a list of the Loudoun Co tithable records, when Thomas Lewellen first appears in 1749 the compiler noted "wife Quaker, Upper Parish Cameron." Thomas and Susannah's property was about 5 miles from the Goose Creek Society of Friends and Shadrack Lewellen is said to have been buried there. (no stone still visible.) His widow and children then went to western PA.

So there are Shadracks in both these families.

From the dates Billie posted, Thomas Lewellen and William Lewelling appear to be contemporaries, (brothers or cousins) The Loudoun Co Shadrack is younger but is probably not a son of Thomas. He could have been a younger brother or a nephew. Thomas' oldest son that we know about is Samuel, born in 1740 if he first tithed at 21. There seems to have also been a Samuel who was a brother to Thomas, the Samuel who married the widow Jones and became the ferryman over the Cheat River near the WV/PA border in Fayette Co, PA-Monongalia Co, WV.

I would estimate that Thomas Lewellen of Loudoun Co was born around 1720. Do we have a Samuel Lewellen born 1690's? Does William have any sons named Samuel or Thomas?

I just looked through my files. On the internet I had found that John's father, Thomas, was the son of Daniel Richard Lewellen b 1710 and Mary Burk(e)s from Amelia Co, VA. Is this possible, and is this a link to William Lewelling?

Thanks, Landy

Shadrack