Updated DNA results
Carol Redd - Aug 5, 2010
This is the most recent updated dna results for the Family Tree DNA Llewellyn Project. Please feel free to let me know your honest thoughts about this. Carol Redd
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Billie Harris - Aug 5, 2010
Good chart, Carol, and thanks for posting it. It should help everyone.
For those of you who are like me and aren't computer savy, at the top of that page when you open it is 4l.9; that's the size. To make it larger, click the arrow.
Landy Gobes - Aug 6, 2010
Thanks, Carol. That is an interesting chart.
But weren't there any results from people who spell their name Lewellen? I thought I saw one on the old chart.
Thanks, Landy
Mary Parker - May 30, 2011
On this Corn DNA chart, William Michael is an exact match to my brother, Daniel Llewellyn. William Michael is descended from Wylie Llewellyn, b. 1795. My brother is descended from John S. Llewellyn, b. 1813, South Wales/Gloucester, England. Does anyone know the common ancestor for these two men? Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, is right across the border from the area of Wales called "South Wales".
Mary Llewellyn Parker
Carol Redd - May 30, 2011
Mary, we don't have as many answers as we have questions! Unfortunately!
Could you share with us your documentation for your John S. Llewellyn?
Thanks, Carol
Mary Parker - May 31, 2011
The US Federal Census records 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880 list John S Llewellyn, b. 1813, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. Sometimes his birthplace is also listed as "South Wales" (just across the border from Gloucestershire). He came to Pennsylvania at age 21, 1834, on the "Lucilla" and married Catherine Kahley (originally Kehle) descended from one of Pennsylvania's early families. Her great-grandfather, Peter Kehle, settled in the Pennsylvania Shenandoah Valley after the Revolutionary War. He was a Hessian soldier who fought with Washington following the British defeat in the Battle of Trenton.
John and Catherine had 12 children, 6 girls, 6 boys. The second oldest son was George, my great-grandfather, born in Tuscarora, Schuylkill County, PA in 1845. John S. Llewellyn died in 1890. Catherine Kahley Llewellyn died in 1860. They are both buried in Beech Creek, Clinton County, PA. George, who worked on the railroad, died in 1905 in a train accident in which two engines collided head-on. He was thrown from the train and scalded with water from the engine, suffered numerous injuries. His obituary was published in the Oil City, PA (Venango County) newspaper. He is buried in Beech Creek, Clinton County, with his parents and brother. His widow, Mary Magnin Llewellyn, was buried in Ontario, Canada with her family.
Mary Llewellyn Parker
We know nothing of John S. Llewellyn's family in Wales or England. John's and Catherine's oldest son, Adam, was named for Catherine's father Adam Kahley. Assuming the pattern is naming the sons after the grandfathers, perhaps George was John's father's name. The third son was named John, the next Thomas, then James and Henry (or "Charles Henry" on one census). The daughters were Maria, named for Catherine's mother, Sarah (perhaps after John's mother?), Elizabeth, Catherine, Susan (died at age 2 years), Mary Ann, age 2 years when her mother died and then she disappears from records. One of the daughters married and moved from PA to MO. Another married and moved to either TN or NC. Two of them moved to Philadelphia.
The Llewellyn men stayed a little closer to their origins, moving to central and western PA with the coal mines and the railroads. Son John's picture is available on Ancestry.com. His sons' pictures are also posted. Our family tree is public: "Llewellyn".
In the UK records, a John (farmer) and Sarah (wife) Llewellyn died in the workhouse in Gloucester. I believe the year was about 1840. Possibly they were his parents.
It was only last year that our branch of the Llewellyn family learned this much about John S. Llewellyn! George died before our father, Thomas Sylvester Llewellyn, Jr. was born and our grandfather, Thomas Sylvester Llewellyn, Sr., moved from PA to OK after his own wife (Cecelia O'Connor) died at age 30 years.
Cindy Lewallen - Jun 2, 2011
Mary:
At long last I was able to sort through some of the pictures. However, I scanned them in as pdf files and they need to be jpeg files. So, I have to scan them again. I have pictures of some of my ancestors and hope to label all of them this weekend. Look for them next week. When you say your family tree is public, where can I view it?
I think it's kind of interesting that John was in England so long after Wiley was here in North Carolina. Can anyone tell me if it is usual for part of a family to stay in Europe when other members migrate to America?
Thanks for your info.
Cindy
Carol Redd - Jun 2, 2011
Cindy
We have to keep in mind that John S. and Wiley might not have even known each other. We are showing exact matches, and we're 300+ years later. John S. and Wiley's common ancestor could very likely be 300 years before them, too. Just think about your 1st cousins, then 2nds cousins. Do you know all of them? Now, I actually do know all 41 of my first cousins. I even know where each of them lives and generally know their children's names.
But, consider how fast our communication is today and then what it was 600 years ago. I'd say that Wiley and John S. had no idea of each other's existence. We definitely have our work cut out for us connecting these dots!
Mary Parker - Jun 3, 2011
There is a difference of only 18 years between John S. Llewellyn and Wiley Llewellyn's birthdates. I suspect their common ancestor(s) could have been in the prior 1-3 generations. John S. (What is the "S"? Once I discovered an English record that included a John "Swepson" Llewellyn) emigrated at age 21 and the ship's log states he was a gunsmith. In the 1841 UK census, a George Llewellyn in Birmingham, England was a maker of "gun implements", but I don't know of any kinship. According to US census records, John S. was a coal miner first and, later, a farmer in Pennsylvania.
Carol, the "Llewellyn Family Tree" is public on Ancestry.com. Cindy, I look forward to seeing your pictures! I have 1 picture of George Llewellyn, many photos of my grandfather, Thomas, and his sons. (There really were three sons!)
Mary Parker
Carol Redd - Jun 3, 2011
Mary
Thanks, I've looked at the Llewellyn Family Tree, but I don't see anything other than U.S. census records as citations. I did locate the Lucilla Passenger list. I have not checked to see how many other John Llewellyns might have made the same or similar journey between 1834 and the 1850 U.S. census for PA.
Do you have additional information which causes your suspicion that their common ancestors could have been w/in the prior 1 -3 generations? DNA certainly does not suggest this as a probability, but perhaps your paper research does. If so, it would be great to have any documents uploaded to our Files section of the site.
No more time today for fun. Maybe a little on the weekend in between chores.
Mary Parker - Jun 3, 2011
Carol,
Unfortunately, our branch of the Llewellyn Family has NO paper trail. It was only in 2010 that we discovered anyone in our Llewellyn ancestry farther back than our great-grandfather, George Llewellyn. However, when John S. Llewellyn married Catherine Kahley, he joined a well-researched, well-documented family. Their oldest son, Adam Llewellyn, is how we found the rest of the family. The Kehle/Kehley/Kahley genealogy is extensive and there are countless entries on Ancestry.com about them. That genealogical research is where I got information about John S. Llewellyn. There is a Kahley-Llewellyn descendant named Joe Kemmerer who told me he has old pictures of people who may be the Llewellyns and he will scan them someday. I hope he does!
Mary Parker
Billie Harris - Jun 3, 2011
From everything we've found so far, Wiley was the son of Anderson Lewallen. Anderson was born 1763 in Prince Edward County, Virginia. And in the research I've found, it seems Anderson descends from Abel Lewelling of Norfolk County, Virginia, who came to the colonies in 1663.
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suspect the connection with John came from earlier ancestors, however, knowing where he was from is a good clue in tracing the ancestors of Abel.
Mary Parker - Jun 3, 2011
Billie, I notied on someone's family history (perhaps Samuel Llewellyn's line?) that one of the very early Llewellyns in Virginian was a planter and he eventually returned to England. Knowing where in England might give another clue.
Mary
Sue Cooper - Jun 4, 2011
Cindy,
Just to reply to your last question, it is not unusual for part of the family to stay in Europe while part of them came to America. I am researching another family, the guy died in North Carolina and left a will. He was not married so he named his aunt and a cousin (big help) and he also named his brothers, William and Samuel, then he said "in Ireland if still alive". He just didn't bother to say where in Ireland! This was in the 1780's.
Mary Parker - Jun 5, 2011
RE the yDNA results for Daniel W. Llewellyn: Dan is going to upgrade from 37 to 67 markers. It will be interesting to see if the results are still identical to Sexton and Carter families.
Mary
Carol Redd - Jun 5, 2011
Mary! Thanks to you and Dan! You're correct in discounting the value of the 37-marker test. It is entirely possible to be an exact match at 37, only to drop out at 67-markers. We have one such match with a Robbins of Scott Co. I was excited to see another familiar Scott Co, TN name as a match, but I failed to realize that the 67-results removed him as a match.
Thanks for joining us and giving us another tangent to explore.
Billie Harris - Aug 1, 2011
Mary or Carol, when are the DNA results due back?
Landy Gobes - Jun 6, 2011
Dear Cousins,
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As a female, I had signed up for a test of my mtdna, but I upgraded, and I have discovered quite a few cousins. Also there are others I match, but we can't discover how yet - an ancestor that one of us doesn't know about perhaps.
Landy