Noah Llewellyn
Carol Redd - Aug 2, 2011
Marlea,
Has anyone from your line dna tested? If not, do you have anyone who can and will?
MARY - When searching for other Llewellyns in Trumbull Co, OH, I found Rebecca Llewellyn 54 (b 1816 Wales) in Schuylkill Co, PA. In her home was John 16 (1854 Wales) - Mary, could this possibly be your John's sister?? And, there was a Thomas (1808) & Jane (1818) both born Wales; also, Rees (1821) & Ann (1832) both born in Wales. Have you explored either of these couples to see when they immigrated?
Marlea, you may already have all of this, but if this is YOUR Noah, the family was still in Wales in 1861 and the 1900 census shows Noah immigrated in 1864:
Before coming to the U.S. at home w/ parents in Wales:
1851 Wales Census about Noah Llewellyn
Name: Noah Llewellyn
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Llewellyn
Mother's name: Eliza Llewellyn
Gender: Male
Where born: Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bedwellty
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Abergavenny
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
Household Members: Name Age
William Llewellyn 34 (b 1817 Wales) other census shows him born 1809/1810
Eliza Llewellyn 33 (b 1818 Wales)
Jennet Llewellyn 14 (b 1837 Wales)
Mary Llewellyn 10 (b 1840 Wales)
Noah Llewellyn 8 (b 1843 Wales)
Ann Llewellyn 6 (b 1844 Wales)
Rachel Williams 3 (b 1847 Wales)
John Jones 20
Ann Hughes 20
1861 Wales Census about Noah Llewellyn
Name: Noah Llewellyn
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Llewellyn
Mother's name: Elizabeth Llewellyn
Gender: Male
Where born: Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bedwellty
Ecclesiastical parish: Tredegar
Town: Ebbw Vale
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bedwelty
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
Household Members: Name Age
William Llewellyn 50 William aged 16 years in the 10 years betw 1851 & 1861 census.
Elizabeth Llewellyn 43
Janet Llewellyn 24
Mary Llewellyn 20
Noah Llewellyn 18
Rachel Williams 13
Alice Llewellyn 9
Richard Llewellyn 7 (b 1854 Wales)
William T Jones 49
John Ridcliff 19
Noah is in the 1870 Weathersfield, Trumbull Co, OH census with wife Cecelia (b 1844 Wales) and daughter, Caroline, 11 mo old, born OH Aug 1869 (census taken 7/14/1870). His parents, Wm. and Elizabeth were also there in Trumbull Co, OH in 1870 as well as two other Llewellyn familes: David (1826 Wales) and Ellen (1838 Wales) and John (1836 Wales) and Margaret (1836 Wales). Both families moved to PA before the 1880 census.
1870 United States Federal Census about William Llewellyn
Name: William Llewellyn
Birth Year: abt 1809
Age in 1870: 61
Birthplace: Wales
Home in 1870: Weathersfield, Trumbull, Ohio
William Llewellyn 61
Elizabeth Llewellyn 55
Elizabeth Llewellyn 6
Hugh Evans 30
1880 United States Federal Census about N. Llewellyn
Name: N. Llewellyn
Home in 1880: New Castle, Lawrence, Pennsylvania
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Birthplace: Wales
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: C. Llewellyn
Father's birthplace: Wales
Mother's birthplace: Wales
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Boiler In Iron Works
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members: Name Age
N. Llewellyn 37
C. Llewellyn 36
Carrie Llewellyn 10
David Llewellyn 9
William Llewellyn 8
Lizzie Llewellyn 5
Aldine Llewellyn 2
The 1900 census shows immigration to the U.S. in 1864, md 34 years (1866), but not a naturalized citizen. Wife, Cecelia, came to the U.S. in 1870 and no notation in the Naturalized column. She had 8 children, 6 of which are still living. This info on Cecelia doesn't quite match w/ the marriage/birth info. Married in 1866, but Cecelia did not immigrate until 1870. Daughter, Caroline, was born in OH in Aug 1869 - so how did Cecelia give birth to Caroline in OH when she was not even yet in the U.S.? Since they most likely married in OH, have you researched Trumbull Co, OH records for their marriage cert?
1900 New Castle, Lawrence Co, PA
Nona Llewlynn 57
Cecelia Llewlynn 56
David Llewlynn 29 (b 1871)
Lizzie Llewlynn 25
Alden Llewlynn 22
Fred Llewlynn 17
Robt Long 24
William Button 31
Thomas Jones 51
Why did Noah and William settle in Trumble Co, OH?
Other Llewellyns in Trumbull Co, OH in 1870:
David (b 1826 Wales) and wife, Ellen, (1838 Wales); son, Evan (b 1859 OH)
- by 1880 David was widowed, son, Evan, still living with him.
- 1900 Evan heads the household in Dover, Tuscarawas Co, OH and David is living w/ him; immigrated 1854
John (1836 Wales) and Margaret (1836 Wales): oldest child, Jane, 10 (b 1850 OH)
- by 1880 John had died and Margaret and children were still living in Weathersfield, Trumbull Co, OH
- 1900 Margaret is still in Trumbull Co, OH and it shows she immigrated in 1862
William (1809 Wales) and Elizabeth (1815 Wales): This William would seem to be Noah's parents:
Checking to see other Llewellyns who might have been living close to Trumbull Co, OH in 1860 before Wm. and Elizabeth and their children immigrated to the U.S.
1860 Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio (county next to Trumbull)
Name: John Lewellyn
John Lewellyn 41 (b 1819)
Elizabeth Lewellyn 37
David Lewellyn 11
Mary J Lewellyn 15
Elizabeth Lewellyn 9
Alfred Lewellyn 8
John Lewellyn 6
Jemima Lewellyn 1
Sarah A Lewellyn 2
James Nickoles 40
Edward Higgs 18
John Manning 21
John Baker 22
George Mcewin 36
Charles Basine 24
Josephus Onions 50
1870 Sharon, Mercer, Pennsylvania (County next to Lawrence)
John Lewellyn 52 (b 1818 Wales)
Elisabeth Lewellyn 44
David Lewellyn 23
Lizzie Lewellyn 21
Alfred Lewellyn 20
John Lewellyn 16
Saidy Lewellyn 14
Jemima Lewellyn 11
William Lewellyn 9
Another couple who immigrated from Wales in 1870 (per 1900 census) living in Mercer Co, PA in 1880:
1880 Sharon, Mercer Co, Pennsylvania
Evan Llewellyn 41 (b 1839 Wales)
Cathrine Llewellyn 38
Mary A. Llewellyn 17 (1863)
Sarah J. Llewellyn 12
William Llewellyn 10 (1870 Wales)
Elisabeth Llewellyn 8 - first child born in PA
Jessie Llewellyn 5
Cassie Llewellyn 2
This Evan (1839) could not be brother to Noah based on the 1851 Census for the family in Wales. But, could he possibly be a cousin? IN the 1861 Wales census for Tydfil, Upper Merthyr, Merthyr Tydfil in Glamorgan, he and Catherine are shown as born Glamorganth.
David (1826 Wales) and Ellen (1838 Wales) in Trumbull Co, OH in 1870 had a son Evan (b 1859 OH)
1900 Sharon, Mercer Co. PA
Eoan Lewelin 62
Catherin Lewelin 57
Mary Lewelin 36
Jennie Lewelin 32
William Lewelin 30
Blanch Lewelin 17
Louis Lewelin 14
Mont Resner 22
Harry Robison 20
Jame M Wallace 20
Frederick Jones 28
Peter Malloy 32
Raymond W Barr 26
Carol Redd - Aug 6, 2011
Mary, I didn't trace Rebecca Llewellyn too much, hoping you'd look at her before.
1870 Schuylkill Co, PA
Rebecca Llewellyn 54 (b 1816 Wales) in Schuylkill Co, PA.
In her home was John 16 (1854 Wales)
1880 Pottsville, Schuylkill Co, PA
Rebecca's listed as widowed, living w/ nephew or more likely, nephew-in-law since his wife, Anne, was born in Wales as were both of her parents:
Thomas Lee 32
Anne Lee 28 (1852) Wales/Wales/Wales
Rebecca Lee 7
Jane Lee 2
Rebecca Llewellyn 65 Aunt; widowed; Wales/Wales/Wales
John Lyshore 26
And, there was a Thomas (1808) & Jane (1818) both born Wales;
1850 Pottsville NW Ward, Schuylkill, PA:
Thomas Llewellyn 42
Jane Llewellyn 32
Ann L Llewellyn 9 (1841) b Wales
Llewellyn Llewellyn 7 (1843) b PA
Mary Llewellyn 5
Thomas Llewellyn 3
Jane Llewellyn 1
1860 St. Clair, Schuylkill, PA
Thos Lewellyn 48
Jane Lewellyn 45
Lewellyn Lewellyn 18
Mary Lewellyn 16
Thomas Lewellyn 14
Jane Lewellyn 12
William Lewellyn 10
Richard Lewellyn 7
1870 Pottsville NW Ward, Schuylkill, PA
Thos Llewellyn 62
Jane Llewellyn 52
Rich Llewellyn 17
Before coming to the U.S., I believe this might be Thomas and Jane w/ young daughter, Anne in their last home in Wales:
1841 Wales Census
about Thos Llewellyn
Name: Thos Llewellyn
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Hundred: Caerphilly
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
Piece: 1415
Book: 7
Folio: 32
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Name
Thos Llewellyn 32
Jane Llewellyn 20
Ann Llewellyn 8 MO
also, Rees (1821) & Ann (1832) both born in Wales.
Reese and Anne must have come to the U.S. before 1853 as they are shown in the 1880 Pottsville, Schuylkill Co, PA census w/ son David H., age 27, (b 1853) in PA.
Reese Llewellyn 56 Wales/Wales/Wales
Anna Llewellyn 50 Wales/Wales/Wales
David H. Llewellyn 27 PA/Wales/Wales
Jennie Llewellyn 24
Annie E. Llewellyn 20
William Llewellyn 13
Bertha Llewellyn 9
Anne and David Watkins were also born Wales and listed on this same page as Reese and Anne Llewellyn
Before the 1880 census, Reese and Anna Lllewellyn:
1850 Schuylkill Co, PA:
Reese Llewellyn 27
Anna Llewellyn 21
Richard Llewellyn 0 (b PA)
Richard Heughet 41
1860 Pottsville North West Ward, Schuylkill Co, PA
Reese Llewellyn 36
Anna Llewellyn 30
Richard Llewellyn 10 (b PA)
David Llewellyn 8
Jane Llewellyn 5
Ann E Llewellyn 2
Celia Llewellyn 1
1870 Pottsville North East Ward, Schuylkill, PA
Rees Llewellyn 49
Ann Llewellyn 38
Richard Llewellyn 20
David H Llewellyn 18
Jane Llewellyn 16
Elizabeth Llewellyn 13
William Llewellyn 3
Anna Llewellyn is listed in the 1900 census for Shenandoah, Schuylkill, PA living with her daughter, Bertha who married in 1889 John R. Taggert, b Dec 1867 to parents who were both born Ireland.
Anna is shown as being 70 yrs, b Feb 1830, Married 51 years (1849); 12 children born 4 living. No info on when she immigrated to the U.S. Son, David Lllewellyn is living there with her in Bertha's home. So, only two other siblings remain besides David and Bertha.
Well, this doesn't prove anything, but it certainly does give us room to analyze and figure out if all those Llewellyns in Schuylkill Co, PA 1850 and forward are from the same clan. The DNA proves that we all descend from the same progenitor, but how far back remains a mystery. Just have to keep digging!
Marlea Llewellyn - Aug 3, 2011
Thank you Carol. You Rock! Yes I did have a lot of that information. However, I had no idea that Noah's parents came to America as well. I have a feeling that Noah's Father William was brother to David, and possibly John and Evan. There were a couple of David's in Noah's line. I just assumed it was because Noah's Father-in-law was David Davis. I was told by a great-aunt that Cecelia and Noah were actually on the same ship from Wales. Just in case you are unaware, Trumball County Ohio (Warren) and Youngstown OH not sure of the county but think it might be Mahoning Co., is directly across the PA/OH line from New Castle, Lawrence Co. PA. I have a cousen that is a Paralegal or Judicial assistant to a Judge in Trumball Co. I will have a talk with her and see if she will be willing to participate in an information search there. If I am not mistaken, my nephew "Noah's" wife resides in that area while he is stationed eleswhere. I am not positive but hopefully someone can do some digging for me. As for the DNA test...... My one brother said he would not because then everyone would know who he really was....... He is such a Bozo.... he was joking of course.... However, I do have 4 brothers, 3 uncles and 4 1st cucz males to those uncles. I have no idea what the financial status of any of them are to determine whether they would be willing or not. I do not know how much the test is, but I am sure of the Uncles being about 78 to 85 and definitely not in a position to expend any money that is not absolute needs. As for my siblings and I, we currently assist the medical needs of another and could not ask them to chip in for something like this. I would love to be able to do it, because I am that interested as are most of my siblings. However, I even cancelled my ancestry account as well as other accounts to clear up funds. I can't even begin to tell you what the others have done.....
I can honestly say, that I sure hope your Llewellyn families are like mine. My crazy brother finds out anything going on with someone else and they need help, he makes a call and says "Llewellyn Down" or "man down" if it is not a relative. Its his call to arms I guess.... He calls me, I put it into an email to my prayer warriors. After I clean up the language of course. lol The point is, we get stuff done. Even the ones that have nothing to give..... That is what being a LLEWELLYN is, giving of yourself to the benefit of those in need. My Father was a helper as was my Mother and they went without so much to ensure other families had food and clothing. Mom was a Jones. It must be the Welsh blood! Thanks again for the help Carol!!!! God Bless.
Darlene Luallen Griffin - Aug 4, 2011
Marlea, I noticed you have a Llewellyn/Davis connection in your family. My cousin's DNA tested that we are Davises and NOT Luallen/Lewallens. There were Davises and Lewallens in Morgan/Scott County, TN. I suspect that is true of any area where people from Wales settled. My British-born aunt who married into our Luallens in the early 1950s came from a line of Welsh Davises. Imagine our surprise to learn in 2011 that at some point we have a male
Davis as our ancestor.
Marlea Llewellyn - Aug 5, 2011
Darlene that does not shock me at all. I have read a lot of things over the years on the heritage. Slavery ran rampid for a long time. When villages or settlements were captured the offenders often killed the men and took the women and children some took the name of their owners much like in our civil war times. Same is true for the indentured servants. They may have just assumed their employers name. I have learned a lot of crazy stuff from reading welsh folklore. My favorite is "Taryn Teg" (not sure if spelling is correct) but the story is:
Back in unrefined times and the belief in ferries was still in existence, if your baby was bad and crying like mad there were things to say to the child. If the child responded in a form unbefitting his age, that meant the child was posessed by a ferry. They then would take the child to the water and say begone taryn teg before I throw you in the bryn. (Obviously not in my translation) If the child continued they would throw him in and the ferries would save their ferry spirit inside the child.
Funny thing is, when Bryson acts like a crazy possessed child (which is often he is 2 and a half), I look at him and in the worst Welsh accent that sounds more like Scottish I say "Taryn Teg I'll be throwing ye in da bryn" He shuts up.... basically because he thinks I am insane for talking that way..... LOL Now that he is repeating it is quite hysterical...... he also has a keen humor and understands..... The last time I said it he ran around pinching people on their back sides saying " teetee eg" and laughing and running away. I do believe I am a terrible influence.
Anyway, we can only assume that is where a lot of the punishments came from... i.e. dunking to remove the evil spirits....etc. I wish I liked history this much when I was a kid. Have a great weekend Everyone.
Marlea Llewellyn - Aug 8, 2011
A really interesting coincidence..... The welsh census for Noah Llewellyn indicates an Ann Hughes as a visitor and a Jones as a border. My Mother's Grandparents are Benjamin Jones and Ann Hughes. My Mom's Father, the offspring of this couple, passed away in 1961 well into his 70's. Wouldn't that be something if the families were acquainted back then. Just another factoid that we will never be able to prove I guess....but makes for interesting reading..... LOL