Billie Harris - Aug 29, 2011
I've been in touch with a 90-year old gentleman and if anyone thinks it's important, I can ask for his DNA. But to pay for it (money's a little tough right now), I would like to trace his line back a little farther to make sure we don't have anyone who descends from his particular line first.
All he had was that his father was Charlie and his grandfather Lewis plus where they lived. In tracing it, he descends from Monroe Lewallen through his son James Lewis and his son Charles. The way I have the genealogy is:
DANIEL born 1780/90 and died 1849 Jackson County, AL.
His wife was Elizabeth Lain (b 1793 TN). Children:
a. WILLIAM born 1818 AL
b. JAMES born 1820 AL (Probably James Madison who
married Nancy Jane Holder 1868 Jackson Co. AL. He died
and his probate shows children:
1. J. P.
2. ELIZABETH
3. DANIEL, wife Essie Anna Giles.
4. AMANDA MC GILL
5. NANCY GIST
6. JAMES M. (deceased by 1849)
7. ELISHA, wife Elizabeth Roach, children:
(1) DANIEL MILTON b Jackson Co. 1888
(2) MADISON
(3) FLOSSIE DAWSON
(4) ETHEL STEEL
(5) E. L.
c. MONROE born 1823 Monroe Co. AL. D. 1843 Monroe Co..
Married Sarah (Sallie) Taylor. Children:
1. ANDREW born 1849 AR
2. JAMES LEWIS born Aug. 21, 1851 AR. Died Mar. 3,
1889 Independence, AR. Married Barbara Northern
Children:
(1) WILIE born 1881
(2) CHARLIE M. born 1886
3. SAMUEL M. born 1853 (or 1855)
4. MARTHA born 1859
5. WILLIAM born 1863
d. JAMES MADISON born 1825 AL, m. Sarah ?. Children:
1. ELIZABETH
2. NANCY
3. JONES
4. JAMES
e. PRESTON born 1832 AL
f. FREEMAN born 1833 AL
g. DANIEL born 1834 AL
h. ANDREW JACKSON born 1835 AL
i. POLLY HAMONS
j. M. J. m. a Lipscomb
I suspect the Daniel above descends from Anderson and if that's the case, we already have a couple individuals who've had DNAs from Anderson's line so why pay for another. But IF he descends from Richard, then we could use his DNA.
Can someone help me find Daniel's parents?
Billie Harris - Sep 1, 2011
Can anyone help here?
Clete Ramsey - Sep 9, 2011
Billie,
I have Monroe Washington Lewallen marrying Mary Ann Wann, not Sarah “Sallie” Taylor.
I have Monroe’s younger brother Madison marrying Sarah “Sallie” Taylor.
I have both Monroe and Madison as sons of Daniel Lewallen and Elizabeth (Layne) Lewallen. I’ve seen Elizabeth’s surname spelled also as Lane and Lain.
By some accounts, Daniel Lewallen’s father is reputed to be our mystery Richard Lewallen, born about 1763 in Prince Edward County, Virginia. If true, that ties Daniel in the Grace Stokley-Parazeda Vowell knot.
In 1880, my mother’s maternal grandfather, William B.P. Jackson (1857-1911), was head of this household in Black River Township, Independence County, Arkansas:
JACKSON William B. Head Married Male White 22 TN NC TN Farmer
JACKSON Mary J. Wife Married Female White 19 AR AL AL Keeping House
JACKSON Martha E. Daughter Single Female White 1 AR TN AR
William’s wife, Mary Jane (Lewallen) Jackson (1861-1954), was a daughter of Monroe Washington Lewallen and Mary Ann (Wann) Lewallen, and a granddaughter of Daniel Lewallen and Elizabeth (Layne) Lewallen. Granny Jackson was still alive when I was a tyke, living with her son Berry and daughter-in-law Virginia in Fort Scott, the seat of Bourbon County, Kansas. Mary Jane died in Fort Scott in 1954, but is buried with her husband William at Maplewood Cemetery in Harrison, Boone County, Arkansas.
Martha E. “Mattie” Jackson was one of at least 12 children born to William and Mary Jane Jackson, who married in Independence County on 29 Jul 1877.
The next-listed household after William Jackson’s was this “Luallen” household:
LUALLEN James L. Head Married Male White 29 AR AL AL Farmer
LUALLEN Bartha Wife Married Female White 31 NC NC NC Keeping House
LUALLEN Viola V. Daughter Single Female White 7 AR AR NC
LUALLEN Nancy C. Daughter Single Female White 4 AR AR NC
Bartha Luallen was Barbara (Northern) Lewallen. I believe she was a daughter of William and Nancy Northern. William Northern’s household was listed on the 1880 census about midway between the household of William Jackson and this one:
LUALLEN Munroe W. Head Married Male White 56 AL VA TN Farmer
LUALLEN Mary A. Wife Married Female White 53 AL --- TN Keeping House
LUALLEN John R. Son Single Male White 23 AR AL AL Farming
Monroe and Mary Ann Lewallen were the parents of Mary Jane Jackson and James L. Lewallen.
The household listed on the 1880 census immediately after Munroe Luallen’s household was this one:
LUALLEN Daniel M. Head Married Male White 24 AR AL AL Farmer
LUALLEN Evaline Wife Married Female White 22 AR --- --- Keeping House
LUALLEN John W. Son Single Male White 3 AR AR AR
LUALLEN William S. Son Single Male White 1 AR AR AR
There is an Arkansas marriage record for D. M. Lewallen (b. 1855) and Evaline Stephens (b. 1859), who married Independence County on 14 April 1876.
There is a Texas death certificate for John Washington Lewallen, a widowed farmer who died on 17 April 1954 in Donna, Hidalgo County, Texas. Donna was also his place of residence. His parents were listed as D. M. Lewallen and Evelyn Stevens, both born in Arkansas.
Some sources list Daniel Monroe. Lewallen as another son of Monroe Washington Lewallen and Mary Ann (Wann) Lewallen. Other sources also list George. W. Lewallen (b. ~1853) as a son of Monroe and Mary Ann.
Neither Daniel M. nor George W. Lewallen appeared in Monroe Lewallen’s household in Black River Township, Independence County, Arkansas, in 1870:
Dwelling 98/Family 104
LEWALLEN Monroe 46 Male White AL Farmer
LEWALLEN Mary A. 43 Female White AL Keeping House
LEWALLEN Andrew A. 21 Male White AR Works on Farm
LEWALLEN James L. 20 Male White AR Works on Farm
LEWALLEN Samuel M. 15 Male White AR Works on Farm
LEWALLEN John R. 14 Male White AR
LEWALLEN Martha E. 11 Female White AR
LEWALLEN Mary J. 9 Female White AR
LEWALLEN William 7 Male White AR
Their birth dates would slot them between James and Samuel. If Daniel and George were sons of Monroe and Mary Ann Lewallen, I don’t know (or have buried the information somewhere in my files) where they were in 1870.
Madison Lewallen, who married Sarah “Sallie” Taylor, was head of this household in Beat 6, Jackson County, Alabama, in 1880:
LEWALLEN Madson [Madison] Head Married Male White 57 AL TN TN Farmer
LEWALLEN Sarah Wife Married Female White 54 AL KY KY Keeps House
LEWALLEN Mary E. Daughter Single Female White 35 AL AL AL Housework
LEWALLEN Daniel Son Single Male White 28 AL AL AL Farming
LEWALLEN Kate Daughter Single Female White 22 AL AL AL Housework
LEWALLEN Elisha Son Male White 21 AL AL AL Farming
LEWALLEN Alice Daughter Female White 16 AL AL AL Housework
LEWALLEN Amanda Daughter Single Female White 13 AL AL AL Housework
There was no entry under marital status for Elisha or Alice, at least on the census transcription I used.
There is a death record for Mary Elizabeth Lewallen, who died in Jackson County, Alabama, on 23 January 1920, at the age of 75 years, 10 months, and 21 days. It does not list her marital status, but I believe she was single. It names her parents as Madison Lewallen and Sallie Taylor, and estimates her birth year as 1845. She would have been the 35-year-old, single Mary E. Lewallen listed in Madison Lewallen’s 1880 household.
This household was near Madison Lewallen’s in Jackson County in 1880:
WANN Cathrine Head Widowed Female White 45 MO NC MO Keeping House
WANN C. A. Daughter Single Female White 15 AL AL MO Farm Work
WANN James Son Single Male White 13 AL AL MO Farm Work
WANN Alice Daughter Single Female White 11 AL AL MO Farm Work
WANN Robert Son Single Male White 9 AL AL MO
Cathrine Wann was Catherine (Ledbetter) Wann, the widow of farmer/preacher William Robert Wann, who died between 1870 and 1880.
I understand William Robert Wann was a son of Robert Wann and Rachel (Poe) Wann. He was a brother of Mary Ann (Wann) Lewallen.
Moving ahead and taking a Northern tack, there were three households of interest listed on the same census page in the 1900 census of the north part of Black River Township, Independence County, Arkansas:
The first was this Jackson household:
Dwelling 53/Family 54
JACKSON Hillery H. Head White Male 34 (b. Sep. 1865) Married TN NC TN Farmer
JACKSON Mary E. Wife White Female 31 (b. Aug. 1868) Married AR GA AR Farm Laborer
JACKSON Roy L. Son White Male 9 (b. Aug. 1890) Single AR TN AR
JACKSON Hubert C. Son White Male 7 (b. Aug. 1892) Single AR TN AR
JACKSON Edna V. Daughter White Female 6 (b. Apr. 1894) Single AR TN AR
JACKSON Winslow I. Son White Male 4 (b. Oct. 1895) Single AR TN AR
JACKSON Marcus I. Son White Male 2 (b. Apr. 1898) Single AR TN AR
JACKSON Alonzo E. Son White Male 3/12 (b. Feb. 1900) Single AR TN AR
JACKSON Martha J. Mother White Female 66 (b. Mar. 1834) Widowed TN VA TN
KING Delcie Niece White Female 3 (b. Jul. 1896) Single AR AR TN
Hillery was a half brother of William B. P. Jackson, who married Mary Jane Lewallen.
The 66-year-old Martha J. Jackson was Martha Jane (Goodwin) Jackson, the second wife and widow of William Sherwood Jackson (1830-1879). William Sherwood Jackson’s first wife, the mother of William B. P. Jackson, was Ann J. (Collins) Jackson. She died about 1863 in Tennessee. William had moved to Arkansas from Tennessee with his father “Sherwood,” step-mother Mary, and half siblings to Tennessee not long before his father died.
The household listed on the 1900 census immediately after Hillery Jackson’s household was this one, whose head was Joseph I. Moxley, not Joseph I. Marley:
Dwelling54/Family 55
MARLEY Joseph I. Head White Male 36 (b. Jan. 1864) Married AR TN AR Farmer
MARLEY Rachel E. White Female 29 (b. Sep. 1870) Married AR AR NC
MARLEY Leenora Daughter White Female 7 (b. Aug. 1892) Single AR AR AR
MARLEY Coy E. Son White Male 4 (b. Sep. 1895) Single AR AR AR
MARLEY Ruffus F. Cousin White Male 17 (b. Aug. 1882) Single AR TN AR Farm Laborer
HARRAL John W. Father-in-Law White Male 58 (b. Apr. 1842) Widowed TN TN TN
SIMMS Elizabeth J. Aunt White Female 61 (b. Apr. 1842) Single NC NC NC
NORTHERN Nancy Grandmother White Female 79 (b. Oct. 1820) Widowed NC NC NC
There is a death record for Lee Nora Waits, who died on 8 December 1949 in Texarkana, Bowie County, Texas. It lists her date and place of birth as 16 August 1892 and Sulphur Rock [Independence County], Arkansas. It lists her parents as Joseph Moxley and Rachel Harrell, both born in Arkansas.
In 1880, widower John Harral and his daughter Rachel were the only residents in this household in Black River Township, Independence County. It was listed about half way between the households of Monroe W. Lewallen and William B. P. Jackson:
HARRAL John W. Head Widowed Male White35 TN TN TN Farmer
HARRAL Rachel A. Daughter Single Female White 9 AR TN NC
John W. Harral’s late wife, to whom he was married in Independence County on 16 December 1868, was identified in marriage records as Susan J. Northern. I believe Susan was actually Susannah J. Northern, a daughter of William and Nancy Northern. The Grandmother Nancy Northern listed in Joseph Moxley’s household in 1900 was Rachel (Harral) Moxley’s grandmother, not Joseph’s grandmother. On the 1870 census of Black River Township, the household listed immediately after that of John W. Harral had William Northern (50, b. NC) listed as its head. It also included his wife Nancy (50, b. NC) and daughter Barbary (23, b. NC) [James L. Lewallen’s future bride], as well as daughter Elizabeth (32, b NC) and sons George (18, b. NC) and William (14, b. AR). The household listed immediately after William Northern’s household in 1870 was one headed by the widow Sarah Harral (40, b. AL). I suspect she was kin (mother or aunt?) to John W. Harral.
In 1880, the next-listed household after John Harral’s household was that of William B. Northern, a brother of Barbara (Northern) Lewallen.
NORTHERN William B. Head --- Male White 23 AR NC NC Farmer
NORTHERN Rosanah E. Wife Married Female White 21 AR AR AR Keeping House
William’s wife was a Palmer. Her name also appears in records as Roseana L. Palmer and Roseannie C. Palmer.
The household after William B. Northern’s was the household headed by his and Barbara (Northern) Lewallen’s father:
NORTHERN William Head Married Male White 59 NC VA VA Farmer
NORTHERN Nancy Wife Married Female White 59 NC NC NC Keeping House
SIMS Elizabeth J. Step-daughter Single Female White 42 NC NC NC At Home
Listed after the senior William Northern’s household was one headed by his son George:
NORTHERN George Head Married Male White 28 NC NC NC Farmer
NORTHERN Sarah J. Wife Married Female White 22 AR TN TN
NORTHERN William E. Son Male White 2 AR NC AR
I went back to the 1850 census and found the senior William Northern’s household in Davidson County, North Carolina:
Dwelling 547/Family 548
NORTHERN William 30 Male NC
NORTHERN Nancy 30 Female NC
SIMMS Elizabeth J. 12 Female NC [The “Aunt” in Joseph Moxley’s 1900 household.]
SIMMS Caroline 10 Female NC
SIMMS Mary A. 9 Female NC
SIMMS Jacob 7 Male NC
NORTHERN Susannah 4 Female NC [Married: John W. Harral]
NORTHERN Barbara 2 Female NC [Married: James L. Lewallen]
The next household was this one:
Dwelling 548/Family 549
NORTHERN Martha 66 Female NC
NORTHERN Margaret 20 Female NC
My first guess would be that Martha Northern was William Northern’s mother and Margaret his younger sister.
There were no other Simms-surnamed individuals in the immediate area.
After that Northern detour, it’s back to Independence County, Arkansas, in 1900.
After Joseph Moxley’s household was a household headed by George C. Rider (b. 1865, IL), and then this household headed by the widow Barbara (Northern) Lewallen:
Dwelling 56/Family 57
LEWALLEN Barbara Head White Female 52 (b. Aug. 1847) Widowed NC NC NC Farmer
LEWALLEN William D. M. Son White Male 19 (b. May 1881) Single AR AR NC Farm Laborer
LEWALLEN Charley M. Son White Male 13 (b. Dec. 1896) AR AR NC Farm Laborer
Of Barbara Lewallen’s six children, five were still living.
Barbara had had two children listed on the 1880 census: Viola V., 7; and Nancy C, 4.
Viola is reported to have married Samuel Bradley in Independence County on 1 May 1894.
I don’t know what became of Viola’s sister Nancy.
In 1900, sons William D. M. and Charley M. are listed.
Four of the six children of Barbara (Northern) Lewallen were Viola, Nancy, William, and Charley. Who were the other two?
In 1920, James L. Lewallen’s widow, Barbara (Northern) Lewallen, 72, was living in the household of her son, Willie D. Lewallen, 39, in Independence County. I assume Willie was the William D. M. Lewallen of the 1900 census.
Was Charley M. Lewallen, born in December 1896, the father of your “90-year-old gentleman”?
Perhaps you and other readers can add more names, places, and dates, or point out mistakes I may have made.
Regards from Virginia,
Clete
Billie Harris - Sep 10, 2011
Clete:
Thanks for posting this. It's going to take a while to digest it. And no doubt you're right about who Monroe and his brother, Madison, married. If I had looked closely, I would have seen both had a wife named Sarah but obviously I didn't question it.
Yes, Charlie M. was the father of the 90 year old I've been in contact with. He and his wife are getting ready to move to be close to his daughter and I'd really like to see about a DNA from him but I'd like to pinpoint his ancestors down just a bit more. Daniel wouldn't have been the son of either of the Richards mentioned - the one who married Grace Stokeley or the one who married Parazeda Vowell.
We can't connect him to the Richard who married Grace Stokeley because Richard died 1802 in Norfolk and left just the one son, Joshua. We can't connect him to the Richard (b ca 1763 P.E. Co VA) who married Parazeda because their children were minors when he died in the 1830s.
Who was Daniel's father? You're so good with researching these families, you could probably venture a fairly accurate guess.
Clete Ramsey - Sep 10, 2011
Billie,
I haven't a clue who Daniel's father actually was. I don't think it was a Richard. Off the top of my head, I can't recall a single male descendent of Daniel's named Richard, or a female descendent named Grace, Gracie, or Parazeda. I suppose if you listed all the given names of the next two generations of Lewallen males that followed Daniel and tallied up which given name appeared most often, it might be a clue. I'm no expert on naming traditions in the 18th and 19th centuries, but they seemed to break down as the 20th century approached. As we've discussed, I think the chances of Richard Lewallen of Prince Edward County, Virginia, having married Gracie Stokeley in Norfolk are slim to none.
Clete
Billie Harris - Sep 12, 2011
It seems to me the Richard of Norfolk probably descends from Abel Lewelling of that county. The 1750 Will of a Richard (wife Sarah) names among others a son Daniel and a son Richard. I'm still not discounting that the Prince Edward Lewallens aren't connected somehow to the Norfolk ones.
Cindy Lewallen - Sep 14, 2011
Don't know if this ties in or not, but Sally Stokeley m James Kilgrow 12/22/1798, SISTER-IN-LAW to Richard Lewelling, sur Richard Lewellen Norfolk Co Marriage bond. If Grace and Sally were sisters, and Grace was married to Richard, that would answer the sister-in-law question to Richard Lewelling
Billie Harris - Sep 14, 2011
Thanks, Cindy. It does seem to tie them together. I wonder if the Stokeley genealogy sites might have more on Richard.
Clete Ramsey - Sep 14, 2011
These three marriage bonds were recorded in Norfolk County, Virginia:
• 30 March 1793. Richard Lewelling and Gracie Stokeley. Surety: Eyrs Stokeley.
• 22 December 1798. James Kilgore and Sally Stockley. Surety: Richard Lewelling. There was a note that Sally Stockley was a sister-in-law of Richard Lewelling.
• 17 July 1802. Turner Stevenson and Mrs. Grace Lewelling. James Kilgrow, security.
The following abstract appears in Will Book II (Nov. 1800-Jul. 1810), Clerks Office, Corporation Court, Norfolk, Virginia, as compiled by Norma L. Gates and typed and indexed by James and Esther Chauncy of the Norfolk Genealogical Society. Their work was published in 1986.
LEWELLIN, Richard, boat builder, of Boro of Norfolk, Will dtd 04 Oct 1801, proved 24 May
1802, Norfolk Boro, Hustings Ct.
Wife, Grace; Son, Joshua; Dau, Nancy.
Wit. John Pretlove, Joseph Evans, Jas. Dyson, James Kilgrow P.114
LEWELLIN, Richard, Est App recorded 27 Jul 1802. P.129-130
LEWELLIN, Richard, Est Acc recorded 28 Feb 1803.
Adm. Turner Stephenson P. 162
I assume witness James Kilgrow was the James Kilgore who was security for the 17 July 1802 Norfolk County marriage bond of Turner Stevenson and Mrs. Grace Lewelling. Likewise, I assume will administrator Turner Stephenson and groom Turner Stevenson were the same person.
I also assume James Kilgrow/Kilgore was the groom James Kilgore, noted with bride Sally Stockley, on the 22 December 1798 Norfolk County marriage bond for which Richard Lewelling, Sally’s brother-in-law, was a bondsman.
There were other Kilgore-Lewelling ties.
There was a 10 May 1799 Norfolk County marriage bond for Gideon Kilgore and Ann Lewelling, for which Abel Lewelling was surety. [Virginia Will Records, The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Elizabeth Petty Bentley, Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, 1982]
There also was an 8 April 1825 marriage bond for Gideon Kilgour and Mrs. Elizabeth Potts (widow) for which Abel Lewelling was security. [Abstracts from Norfolk City Marriage Bonds (1797-1850) and Other Genealogical Data, compiled and annotated by George Holbert Tucker.]
The 1801 Norfolk City Directory lists Abel Lewelling as a boat builder.
I don’t know the relationship between Richard Lewelling and Abel Lewelling. Were they brothers, both boat builders? Was Ann (Lewelling) Kilgore their sister, or was Ann (Lewelling) Kilgore Abel’s daughter?
I don’t know the relationship between James Kilgore and Gideon Kilgore. Were they brothers?
I’ve yet to find Turner Stevenson/Stephenson later than the 1803 mention.
There was a marriage in Norfolk on 2 November 1825 in which Joshua Lewelling married Mary Lester. I haven’t found the couple later than 1825.
I've found no further mention of Richard and Grace Lewellin’s daughter Nancy.
I think the Richard Lewelling/Lewellin who married Gracie Stokeley was born, lived, and died in the Norfolk area, and was connected to a family of ships carpenters/boat builders long in area. I’ve found nothing to connect him to Prince Edward County or any Lewallen there.
If there's any mention of Richard Lewlling on a Stokeley genealogy site, it was probably me asking questions about Richard and Gracie.
Billie Harris - Sep 14, 2011
Your very last statement is correct. I did check the Stokeley site and your post popped up when I put in a couple keywords. I wish we could find out if Joshua left any descendants.
Carol Redd - Sep 25, 2011
Billie
I've worked on this most of the day and can't say I've made much progress. I cannot help but notice the Charlies and Lewises in this fellow's line of Luallens. Can't say I've found all that many in Madison or Preston's lines.
Something I noticed w/ your analysis above is that you have Monroe listed as son of Daniel being b 1823 Monroe Co, AL and died 1843; marrying Sally Taylor w/ several children listed as being b 1849 - 1863. So, that probably needs to be changed to agree w/ Clete's facts. But, I tend to believe Monroe was younger than Madison. (see below) Madison's first child was born 4 years earlier than Monroe's which strengthens my belief that he is older than Monroe.
Neither Madison or Monroe's age is stated consistently in the various census records:
Madison is listed as being 25 in the 1850 (b 1825) census for Jackson Co, AL, but as b 1823 in 1860, 1870, and 1880. So, I accepted that 3 out of 4 would have correctly stated his age. Generally I accept the first age as the most accurate.
Monroe is listed as age 24, 25, 26 in the 1850, 1860, 1870 census respectively making him born 1826, 1825, 1824.
1850 Reads Creek, Lawrence Co, AR: Monroe W. Luallen age 24 (b 1826)
firstborn named Andrew A. (b 1849)
1860 Scott, Lawrence Co, AR: Mennoe W. Luallen age 25 (b 1825)
sons: Andrew A., James, George W., Samuel M., John R., William
1880 Black River, Independence, AR: Munroe W. Luallen age 56 (b 1824)
father/mother b VA/TN
If we based a conclusion on father/mother's place of birth, we would conclude that Madison and Monroe had different fathers.
One of the first things I did when I found out my family's dna was Lewallen instead of Sexton was to look around for John Preston Lewallens and how they might possibly connect to my Morgan Co, TN John Preston Sexton.
Since Cindy's brother was a match at 37-markers and she pointed me to her William Calvin Lewallen b 1873 TX d 1906, I traced him back to James Louallen in Cherokee Co, AL in 1870, son of Calvin (1823 NC) who I believe is the son of your Wiley Lewallen (1795-1799 NC).
Following several other Alabama Lewallens led me to Jackson Co, AL.
The oldest Luallens I found in Jackson Co, Alabama were as follows:
Anna 1771-1780
(possibly mother of all if born closer to 1771 and might be even older)
Daniel 1781-1790
(b TN as extrapolated from son Madison's 1880 census)
Freeman 1795 per the 1850 census birthplace unknown
John 1790 per the 1850 census birthplace unknown
1830/1840 Jackson Co, AL
Daniel and Elizabeth are shown as 40-49/50-59 (b 1781-1790)
Children: male / female
(1811-1815) 1 / 1 (possibly Charles (1811-1820) and female
(2 children in 4 years might indicate firstborn closer to 1811 making parents likely to be born closer to 1790 than to 1780)
(1816-1820) 2 / 0 (William (1818) and James (1820) - living w/ Elizabeth in 1860 Toshomingo, MS???)
(1821-1825) 1 / 1 Madison (1823 in 1860-1880; 1825 per 1850) and 1 female
(1826-1830) 1 / 1 Monroe (1824-1826 in 1850-1880) and one female
(1831-1835) 3 / 0 Preston (1832), Freeman ?? (1833), and Daniel (1835)
(1836-1840) 1 / 0 Andrew (1837) w/ Elizabeth in 1860 Toshomingo, MS
1850 Jackson Co, AL shows Elizabeth alone w/ 3 sons
(1832 ) Preston
(1835) Daniel
(1837) Andrew
I concluded Madison to be the son of Daniel and Elizabeth based upon Madison's mother's place of birth from the 1880 census being TN.
I ruled out Freeman and John because their place of birth was listed as unknown, but their wives were born KY and NC respectively.
I have compiled Madison's children from the 1850 - 1880 census for Jackson Co, AL as follows:
1870 Jackson Co, AL plus James listed in his own household in 1870 w/ wife Nancy
Madison Lewallen 47 (1823)
Sarah Lewallen 47 (1823)
Mary E Lewallen 25 (1845) Mary Elizabeth
Nancy J Lewallen 23 (1847) X (1846)
(listed as 4 in 1850 )
*James 23 (1847) - firstborn son named James, possibly Daniel's other name
John Lewallen 20 (1850) X (1848) John Preston who named his first son William Madison
(listed in 1850 as 2, (b 1848) 9 b 1851 in 1860)
Daniel Lewallen 19 (1851) X (1853) listed in 1860 as 7
Kate Lewallen 16 (1854)
Brickell Lewallen 13 (1857)
Elisha Lewallen 10 (1860)
Sarah Lewallen 8 (1862)
Alice Lewallen 7 (1863)
Amanda Lewallen 5 (1865) not listed in 1880 so may have died or married very young
If we based a conclusion on father/mother's place of birth, we would conclude that Madison and Monroe had different fathers, but we all know census records are not 100% accurate. We also know that not everyone listed in a household was necessarily that couple's biological child - they could have a blended household of nephews or even grandchildren. In looking strictly at the f/m place of birth, we would conclude differently about who Danie's children were.
(have not found these sons of Daniel in the1880 census and thus don't know what they would have listed as father's place of birth)
Charles 1811 AL , 1840 in Jackson Co, AL and Marengo (had lots of slaves as did Daniel)
William 1818 AL
James 1820 AL
1880 Jackson Co, AL: Madison 1823 AL/TN/TN
1880 Independence Co, AR: Monroe 1824 AL/VA/TN
1880 Randolph Co, AR: James Lewellain 1831 AL/TN/AL ???
1880 Pope Co, AR, Preston 1833 AL/TN/TN
1880 Daniel 1835?? (see below) may be in Alcorn, MS, but that census seems quite strange
1880 Grayson Co, TX, Andrew J. 1837 AL/VA/TN
Not sure about this next one:
1880 Alcorn, MS D. Lewallen 1836 AL/NC/NC, but his mother, E.B. is listed as b Penn as were both of her parents. I've looked at the actual handwriting and it is definitely clear it is Penn, not Tenn. Lots of other people on that page were born Tenn, so it's not hard to see the difference.
Also in 1880 Pope Co, AR Jordan Luallen, shown in 1850 to be Catha's (1818 KY) son, f/m place of birth is blank. Jordan's oldest son's name is Madison in the 1870 Pope Co, AR census.
I'll be traveling all day tomorrow and then have to work hard for the next 3 weeks, so I probably won't get back to this for awhile. The more answers we look for, the more questions we find!
Billie Harris - Sep 25, 2011
Carol, thank you for going through and doing this. I'll have to go through it when it isn't late as it is now, perhaps tomorrow. I do appreciate your spending all the time on it though.
Anyone else have comments?
Billie Harris - Sep 27, 2011
I've printed all of this out and will be going over it today/tonight. After I've finished, based on what you, Clete, and you, Carol, have, I'll post a new listing in the History section with what we have on the family and the descendants. I'm seriously thinking of asking the 90 year old Lewallen fellow if he will do a DNA for us anyway but after posting everything tomorrow, I'll find his e-mail and drop him a note.
Clete, do you know if we've had a Lewallen descendant from your Monroe or one of his brothers do a DNA?
Clete Ramsey - Sep 30, 2011
Billie,
I’m not aware of anyone from the Monroe Washington Lewallen line having done any DNA testing.
A Jacob Lewallen made the post below to the RootsWeb.com Lewallen message board in February 2008.
The Daniel Morgan Lewallen he mentioned was the Daniel M. Luallen (see my 9 September post above) whose household was listed immediately after Munroe Luallen’s household on the 1880 census in Black River Township, Independence County, Arkansas:
LUALLEN Daniel M. Head Married Male White 24 AR AL AL Farmer
LUALLEN Evaline Wife Married Female White 22 AR --- --- Keeping House
LUALLEN John W. Son Single Male White 3 AR AR AR
LUALLEN William S. Son Single Male White 1 AR AR AR
Jacob’s great-grandfather was the one-year-old William S. Luallen.
Both Jacob and his father Kenneth appear to be from the Monroe Washington Lewallen line, and would be candidates for DNA testing.
I responded to Jacob Lewallen’s post, but can’t recall if I heard anything further from him. Will check my back e-mails.
You could reply to his February 2008 “A New Lewallen” post and see if you get a response.
I’ll look to see what connection Jacob’s grandmother, Nettie (Sims) Lewallen, may have had to Nancy (Stoner) Sims/Simms Northern, the mother of Barbara (Northern) Lewallen (the wife of Munroe’s son James).
Regards,
Clete
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From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>
Subject: [LEWALLEN] A New Lewallen
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:26:38 -0000
Author: jlewalle
Surnames: Lewallen, Sims, Stephens
Classification: queries
Hey everyone... my name is Jacob Lewallen and I've recently become interested in my ancestry because of some research I found that my grandmother had done. My father is Kenneth Lewallen, and my grandfather was Edgar Z. Lewallen (b 1922 AR) My grandmother was Nettie V. Sims (b 1922 AZ) My great-grandfather was William S Lewallen (b Abt. 1877) and my gg-grandfather was Daniel Morgan Lewallen (he married an Eveline/Evangline Stephens from what I can tell) My grandfather's family moved to Arizona from Arkansas. I have many cousins still in Arizona. My father's family moved to the southern California area.
I'm just beginning to get my bearings here and thought I'd make an announcement... see how active this community was, etc...
jacob
Billie Harris - Sep 30, 2011
Clete, the 90 year old gentleman that I've mentioned is from this line and I've e-mailed him and asked if he would do a DNA for us. I haven't heard back and it's been at least a week now. I know he was in the process of moving to be near is daughter but I do hope he'll get back to me and I hope he's agreeable to doing the DNA. We shall see
Billie Harris - Oct 1, 2011
I know I said I'd go through all of this and piece it together but it's a bigger job than I thought. The Daniel Lewallen (born 1780/90) we're talking about had siblings John, Peyton, Freeman, Sarah, Polly, Cynthia, and some of these moved to the same areas, including Jackson County, Alabama. It's really confusing in trying to separate who was Daniel's children and who was Peyton's. They were all undoubtedly children of Richard's (son of Daniel of Prince Edward Co. VA) who moved to Anderson County, TN, and died there but separating them out is a bit difficult. I'll post what I can eventually but I'm sure going to need help sorting through them.
Billie Harris - Nov 3, 2011
Good news.
Charles Lewallen called me today and said he would do the DNA for us. I'm having a kit sent to him. This will be the first from this particular line of Lewallens and we need this DNA. Charles is 90. His two brothers are deceased. He does have two sons but I'm thankful he's agreed to do the test..
Clete, this is your line, right?